Tuesday, September 13, 2011

Question of the Day: Liquid Mechanics Involving Protein Powder

WHY DOESN'T THIS EVER MIX WELL IN WATER?!?!

Headache01 asks "Why doesn't powder mixed into drinks (like whey protein powders or cocoa) dissolve very well? It clumps into balls that are wet on the outside but remain dry on the inside. How can I make my whey mix better?"

Well, given that proteins, and especially mixture of proteins, are amphiphilic (meaning the molecule has a part with an affinity for water, and another for fat/oils), they tend to orient themselves into microscopic structures known as micelles. Micelles allow the molecules to isolate their lipophilic ends away from the water and their hydrophilic end towards water, ultimately forming a spherical, tubular, or sheetlike structure.

While micelles are a microscopic phenomena, a similar thing is what causes the clumps in your protein drink; along the protein powder-water interface there will be two-layer sheet type structures where the hydrophilic parts of the molecules are facing the water and the lipophilic parts stay away from it.

Wonder why you should avoid warm water when mixing powders? The heat causes the proteins to lose their secondary structure and become entangled with one another, making it difficult to break up the clump since the clump's outer surface has essentially polymerized. Thus, using cold water keeps the proteins tightly coiled and less likely to get entangled with each other.

I almost forgot! The solution is to wet each of the solid particles individually first before dispersing them (e.g. mix in a small amount of water to form a paste). This will ensure that they disperse well.

37 scientific replies:

DWei said...

I'll keep this in mind if I decide to start drinking the stuff.

I hear they aren't that great for your health though.

Linux and Life said...

thanks a lot for this informative post. I'm very passionate about bodybuilding so I use protein powder a lot. I do notice that they dont dissolve well but didnt know why.

Electric Addict said...

great answer! you're too smart

Inverse said...

Thanks for the tips, I hate when my chocolate milk gets all lumpy, ruins the drink for me.

Neon said...

I use protein powder a lot. At first I tried to put the powder in the bowl, then put oats over it and pour milk over that shit. Turned out as you said, not dissolved but instead gross as f*ck

Gareth Thomas said...

Great tip. I do use it, so will probably use the info here. Can science explain why it tastes awful?

Bersercules said...

Very helpful tip!

Michael Westside said...

Also to make sure to learn how to stir the japanese way. Which is the most effective way to stir powders into liquid ever.

nowaysj said...

To everyone having trouble with their protein, here is your solution:
href="http://www.optimumnutrition.com/products/100-whey-gold-standard-p-201.html?zenid=906d3fbe95bee5eb3dd797a741b03681

It mixes well, and tastes great, the double rich chocolate does at least. Their casein protein however, no matter how you mix it is going to form a paste that when hardened, you could build your house out of.

Definitely paste technique is the best, though, for their whey. Start with the liquid (whole milk, the best, don't trip) add the powder, mix, then the rest of the milk.

Just this week, have started using the blender. Throwing some peanut butter in there, some fiber. Kind of complete meal, deal.

nowaysj said...

wooopsie

Skeng said...

The way I do it is:
I have a milkshake maker thing, put it on full speed and slowly add my powder to it. Works like a charm and it isn't lumpy!
Lumps are the worst :(

ChazWellington said...

didnt know i was supposed to use cold water.. lol

Procras said...

Solution? Eat the powder! Bu seriously...its been an issue of mine for many a month, trying to get a nice mixture of protein powder and water/milk. Usually the anger makes me perform better in the gym, but, ill consider using your solution to the problem. xD

Shaw said...

Yay, I now know how to mix protein shakes :D

GMSoccerPicks said...

You certainly know your thing.

Mekkor said...

i showed your blog a friend of mine how studys this kind of thing (i cant remember how its called) and he is impressed how good you know about your subjec
+1

Natural One said...

Good stuff, now show me how I can make it taste better lol!

To Tipota said...

Great post with a scientific touch. Answered most of my questions.

Timothy Bowen said...

I never take this stuff. seems scary

xxmugenxx said...

interesting, i never take protein powders but my brother does, i gotta show him this

Luke said...

I have a little wire ball in my shaker that breaks apart all the clumps for me :D

Kid Shuffle said...

ahhh, its all so simple. now its time to get ripped, and not deal with clumps in my shake. huzzah!

Kyran said...

Damn that's a sweet trick. I'm gonna lie and say that was the only barrier to me not looking like a greek god. Ewww clumpies, get awaaaaayyyyyy!
I'm manly, I promise.

AyJim said...

I want to marry a woman as smart as you

That Bastard From Bellingham said...

'S why I use cold water, yo.

Admittedly I've got enough mass, no need for protein or whey or anythin' like that.

TheUndeclaredWinner said...

Interesting tip, my girlfriend sometimes gets lumps in her protein smoothie, I should show her that trick. (I semi-sift protein powder, then stir while I pour it in)

i_love_weed said...

protein powder??

no thanks

ill have some meat n shit instead...

Mama Spaghetti said...

Hmmm...very interesting! You learn something new every day!

supercake said...

very usefull info, but i don't really take proteins in powderform

Internet Catch Of The Day said...

mixing it into a paste first really works!

Leelee said...

wow, I learned something very useful today! Although in my opinion protein powder is far too dense, at least for me... When I have gregarious amounts of protein too fast, It makes me take big poops. XD

FabFawk said...

I enjoy my protein shakes shaken, not stirred. Haha

Comic Book Club said...

i have to agree with fabfawk

Hento the loony repairman :D said...

So that is why my mixes keep getting all tangled up D:, so cold water and form a paste and then add the rest, gotcha makes sense , knowing how they tend to pile up with temperature :D

Chase said...

I drink at least a shake a day usually.

Sketchar said...

I don't believe protein powders help that much, but then again the body builders say it helps.

BCTL said...

informative post, never knew about the warm/cold water thing.

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